What a pane – lessons and costs

Here is the much promised post about lessons learned and costs when replacing the glass/doors, based on our mistakes.

Short and sweet:

1) When you find a windscreen at the scrappy, take the frame as well. The glass is easy to get out of the frame of the donor vehicle, but it is a pain to put back in yours. And new windscreens are dear. As we know to our cost.

2) Don’t be in so much of a rush when you buy doors that you forget the striker plates. They do vary. Again .. as we know ….

3) With the rear sliding windows, make sure you line up the aluminium box sections correctly. At least we got that one right this time around.

4) Washing-up liquid helps to make working with the rubber seals easier.

5) Don’t rush. Sit down and think about what you need to do. We started off by pricing new glass from UK suppliers and the price was horrific. Don’t rush at the scrappies either. If you are reading this from Spain, the system is different – normally you have to wait for them to take off bits, but if you take your tools they will usually let you do it yourself. Use forums and ask for help. It doesn’t hurt, it doesn’t cost, and you may get some useful info. We did.

Costs:

The first lot of glass we got was from El Inglés at the Poligono Industrial in Málaga. The cost was €25 for each piece of glass regardless, ie the back door, windscreen, two front doors and two pieces each for the two rear ones. Eight, if anyone is counting.

And at San Miguel in Arcos de la Frontera, €40 for each middle door.

So far so good, €280. Until the windscreen went and it was another €300+ to get it done professionally in La Linea. More than the cost of all the others put together.

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What a pane (1) – offside!

Last year, some unpleasant person, or persons unknown, smashed the windows in our Santana. Not just one, but virtually all of them, including the windscreen.

There is nowhere to source them in Gib, and the cost of getting new glass or doors shipped from the UK was prohibitive.

If the intention was to put us off the road, then it wasn’t a bad start.

Still, with the help of friends, we managed to locate some promising scrapyards in Andalucía, and equipped with all the necessary bits of glass/doors, started to put it back together.

First the rear window. Either the vandals were getting tired at this point, or someone had appeared and they didn’t want to be caught in the act, but only the left-hand side one was smashed. The one we had replaced the previous year in fact. Link here. Oh well, it seemed the easiest place to start as at least we had experience of it.

When we did this window the last time, we (ie he) didn’t get the small aluminium box sections in the correct place. There are three of them at both the top and bottom, and they have tiny holes that need to align with the trim. The good news is, that if you confuse them when you take them off, you can work out what goes where because of the holes.

There is also one on each side, but that isn’t such a problem in terms of confusion, but each one is a pig to get back in as the trim is very tight on the sides.

As before, it helps to have two pairs of hands, a) for the pop-riveting and b) for pulling the side trim around to fix the small box sections back inside.

So here we go …..

Well and truly smashed

Drilling out the pop rivets

Rivets out, next step frame

And frame out

Taking out the trim and box sections

Putting the frame back in

Gently pushing it back into place

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The last step was to refit the rubber over the pop rivets, for pix of that, check out the previous post in the link above.

We’ve got quite good at this, and at least we did a better job this time having learned our lessons from before.

Desguaces (scrapyards) in Andalucia

It’s always good to waste time, I mean travel around usefully, looking for scrapyards in Andalucía.

So here, for anyone who wants to visit them, is a list of some of the ones we have visited in the search for Land Rover spares in the provincias of Málaga and Cadiz.

So, first up Málaga province.

A quick google and some queries on a very helpful Spanish forum – 4x4malaga revealed the main contenders to be at:

Valle Niza
Malaga Industrial Estate (Poligono Guadalhorce)
Estepona

There a couple of others at Cartama/Coin but we haven’t visited those.

At Valle Niza you can find Discos and Freelanders but no Defenders/Series/Santanas.

‘Possible en Málaga’ we were told.

So, off to Málaga.

The industrial estate is well-signed and easily found. For anyone who doesn’t know, it is basically east of the airport, off the ringroad/autovia. If you don’t do Spanish look for Poligono Industrial, or sometimes PI with a factory type image.

There are loads of addreses for scrapyards on Carretera Azucarera- Guadalhorce. This is one of the main arterial roads of the estate, it runs south to north on the far west of it. Easy eh?

Well yes, if there hadn’t been road works. I gazed at every single plot we passed on our side of the road and not a single one was a scrapyard. Got to the end of the estate and found ourselves at an oil refinery. Nope. Not what we wanted.

Argument ensued between navigator and pilot about inadequacy of navigator. Navigator insisted she was correct and threw maps, directions, addresses and anything near to hand at pilot.

Plan B. Ask someone. In fact Plan B in Spain should always be Plan A.

Navigator well sulky by now so refused to ask.

Reluctantly agreed to drop window so pilot could ask a worky wandering up.

‘Where’s the scrapyard?’ or ‘Donde esta el desguace?’

‘Just down there on the right mate, where the trees are.’ or ‘Muy circa a la derecha amigo, donde estan los arboles.’

Or words to that effect.

So just for the record, the navigator was correct. Anyway, we parked up and decided to go through the scrapyards systematically from top to bottom. Actually the navigator decided that, as she was feeling very smug and assertive.

What neither of us thought of, was marking down which scrapyard had what vehicle, which, when there are 12 or so scrapyards all looking the same, is not good. At all. By the time we had got to the end we had seen four Land Rovers, and could only remember two of the places where we had seen them, and one of those only had a basket case.

Moving on swiftly down the coast to – Estepona. El Padron del Rio. Note – google has one listed on the poligono. It does not exist. The one at Estepona is best approached from the east, and is just after KM 160 on the N340, take a right when you see some bath store or something like that. No Land Rovers when we went though.

Cadiz province

Next up, scrapyard in Jimena. Hmm, what scrapyard in Jimena? Couldn’t find it on the internet search so asked at our local garage in Gib. Found a mechanic who lived there. No scrapyard in Jimena – but – there was a good one at Arcos. Quick change of plan and shot off up to Arcos to Desguace San Miguel.

First one, incidentally, that we have found here that allegedly opens on Sat morning – or so it says on their website. I would advise ringing before turning up on Sabado. It was huge. And it did have four Land Rovers, in various states of dismantling. There was no vehicle newer than early 80s.

Arcos is very pretty though and so is the surrounding countryside. And the venta at the bottom of the road does tapas with excellent olives and drinks for a very fair price.

So:

Lesson numero uno. Take pen and paper and definitely write down the name of the scrapyard and what you have seen at that one. And what parts it has that are useful.

Lesson numero dos. People say that in Spanish scrapyards you can not take off your own bits. Oh yes you can, so take your tools so that you are prepared if you are allowed to do so. Ask nicely, tell them you have your llaves and all your herramientos. If you are really lucky, someone might help you – although they might ask for a tip.

Lesson numero tres. Ask to look at the vehicle you are interested in. In some places you can wander off if they like the look of you. In others you have to join a queue. So far, experience says, queuing to see a basket case isn’t worth the time. Whatever, do not wait thinking people will ask you what you want. Join the queue if there is one, but otherwise, approach people and ask. You will always, in the end, need to speak to the yard supervisor. S/he is god and will tell you if they have the vehicle and, if you like the bits, they will give you a price.

Lesson numero cuatro. If you like what you have seen and you can afford it, accept the price you are given. We saw a most entertaining argument – in Arabic – between a Moroccan wanting a tyre cheaper than the given price, and the Moroccan scrapyard worker telling him he couldn’t have it for any less. Just pay, we all have to live.

Lesson numero cinco. They shut between 2pm and 4pm. Arrive in time to do what you want. Or for them to do what you want – which will take even longer. Come back at 4pm or – come back next week.

Lesson numero seis. When someone tells you there is a scrapyard some miles away, do not assume it is correct unless you get exact details or co-ords. But on the other hand, if you are looking for a desguace, always ask a) someone who appears to live locally b) a road worker c) any garage mechanic d) at a petrol station e) a truck driver.

Lesson numero siete. Make sure you know all the relevant words. There are three words for scrapyards – to my knowledge – in Spanish. Desgauce, chatarra, and cementario de coches. You may need to try all those out before they understand your accent.

Suerte!!

List of scrapyards and addresses here:

Valle Niza

Auto Desguace Valle Niza
Ctra. Cádiz, Km.3, Vélez-Málaga Málaga
952115853

Malaga

Auto-Desguace Hnos. Gonzalez S.L.
Ctra. Azucarera-Intelhorce, 13-B 29004 Malaga
952173704

Autodesguace García, S.L.
Ctra. Azucarera-Intelhorce, nº 13 A 29004 Málaga
952171753

Autodesguace Inter S.L.
Carretera Azucarera-Intelhorce Nave 11 B 29004 Málaga
952173593

Auto Despiece del Automóvil Hermanos Martín
Ctra. Azucarera-Intelhorce, P.I. Guadalorce Málaga
952173875

Auto Desguace Hermanos Vargas
Ctra. Azucarera-Intelhorce, P.I. Guadalorce Málaga
952173452

Auto Desguace La Alberca
Ctra. Azucarera-Intelhorce, P.I. Guadalorce Málaga
952173160

Scrap Yard – Auto Desguace El Inglés
Ctra. Azucarera-Intelhorce, Nave 7 Málaga
952241551

Auto Desguace Avilés
Ctra. Azucarera-Intelhorce Málaga
952173423

Estepona

Desguace Rio del Padrón
Ctra. Cádiz-Málaga, Km. 159 Estepona
952804096

Arcos de la Frontera

Ctra.Arcos-San José del Valle, Km 2
956 70 20 71 – 856 02 31 21 – 956 23 16 61

Thanks again to everyone on 4×4 Málaga for all their help in finding desguaces. Much appreciated.